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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2009 13:54:27 GMT -5
Next to the WM3 case, this is the case of my life. Even to this day I think about it daily. I have held several different opinions on it throughout the last 16 years, but have finally come to believe that they're guilty of first-degree murder. What I still ponder daily, however, is what caused them to kill their parents. I think it's bigger than greed. Hatred mixed with a desire to be free from parental pressure is the closest I can come to a conclusion.
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Post by kma367 on Jun 24, 2009 20:01:57 GMT -5
I never believed the B.S. about parental abuse. Had that been the case, they would've either called police and claimed it then, or they at least would've mentioned it when the police finally caught up to them.
I agree that it was 1st Degree Murder, fully planned and pre-meditated as proven by the alibis they set up as well as the "perfect murder" script Eric wrote with his friend. I think that their father and mother wanted to raise them to do the right things and they wanted to do things their own way, so they killed their parents.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2009 11:15:09 GMT -5
I don't believe the sexual abuse either, but I do believe they were psychologically abused pretty much from they were born. Jose in particular was very tough on them, and I think they grew to hate their parents. The philosophy the parents taught their sons was basically 'lie, cheat, steal, but win,' and that the ends justified the means. It's my belief that something went terribly wrong in that family to cause the sons to kill their own parents. And it didn't have to do with money. But hatred doesn't justify murder at all. And Lyle and Erik are where they belong - imprisoned for life.
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Post by kma367 on Jun 25, 2009 19:56:41 GMT -5
I don't really believe that there was any abuse or that Jose and Kitty taught the boys to lie, cheat and steal, as long as they won. The defense attorneys did some major character assassination on the victims in an attempt to justify the murders. The parents may have been tough, but that doesn't always equal abuse, either mental or physical.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2009 13:41:46 GMT -5
It's a good thing that motive isn't something that has to be proven, cause we would never come to a consensus. I will always believe that they experienced a childhood with much psychological abuse. Other than that, the rest of the defense was fabricated. There was no sexual abuse and they were not afraid of dying at the moment they shot their parents. We know that Lyle made several attempts to suborn perjury, which, IMO, was the reason he didn't take the stand at the retrial since he feared being confronted with those things.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2009 23:53:17 GMT -5
I don't believe the abuse either. I believe the motive was a combination of several things. I think they felt pressure to be successful which they resented. They also became accustomed to the finer things and knew if they left, they would have to walk away from that, too. I also think they both suffer from an antisocial personality disorder which intensified when they were together.
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Post by kma367 on Jun 29, 2009 20:19:30 GMT -5
I think it's highly probable that Jose told both of them that they were going to have to work at some point, perhaps after college, and that he would not support them. That's what he did and there's nothing wrong with him expecting Lyle and Erik to do the same. Lyle also may have proposed his restaurant idea and Jose may have told him "good luck, but I'm not bankrolling it."
Wasn't Lyle expelled from Princeton for plagerism, but hiding it at the time of the murders?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2009 20:33:58 GMT -5
I think it's highly probable that Jose told both of them that they were going to have to work at some point, perhaps after college, and that he would not support them. That's what he did and there's nothing wrong with him expecting Lyle and Erik to do the same. Lyle also may have proposed his restaurant idea and Jose may have told him "good luck, but I'm not bankrolling it." Wasn't Lyle expelled from Princeton for plagerism, but hiding it at the time of the murders? Yes he was. Do you think that either of them alone would have been capable of murder?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2009 7:14:27 GMT -5
Lyle was suspended for a year for copying a lab partner's homework assignment during his freshman year. Jose flew from L.A. to Princeton to talk to the university president, but with no luck. So no it wasn't something that was kept secret. The parents knew. Jose actually broke down and cried after the suspension. I think it was at that point that Jose came to realize that his sons would never be as succesful as him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2009 7:22:36 GMT -5
I think Lyle was. The lead investigator of the Beverly Hills PD, who worked the case from the night of the murders till the very end of the second trial, considers Lyle a "true sociopath," and Erik someone who "was very weak, and was duped into committing the murders."
IMO, had Lyle committed the murders alone, he wouldn't have been caught. It was Erik who confessed to a friend of his and to his therapist. I firmly believe Lyle would never have confessed, and would have gotten away with it if he'd committed the murders alone.
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